There were meetings about police station funding and the new schools last night. I am very interested in the new station but since I wrote a letter about the high school it seemed fitting to attend the latter meeting.
The core size of the high school, at 3000, is treated as a done deal by the Facilities Planning Committee. Last night they were trying to decide on initial classroom capacity and it looks like they’ve landed on 2500. One member cautioned against “lopping off” classroom space as it would cramp the style of his wife the teacher, who knows ever so much more about educating our kids than we do so would we please just leave all this to the professionals.
Here’s what the professionals have in store for us:
Yours truly was paid a huge compliment when, at the end of the meeting, it became apparent that several FPC members had spent a whole day analyzing my letter so they could ambush me with it.
Seriously, I must abandon normal expectations for this group because their behavior continually disappoints me. Assistant Superintendent Andrea Gorla came over to the peanut gallery before the meeting and warmly greeted the person on my left and then the person on my right. That would have been the time to say something like, “We are going to address the concerns brought up in your letter tonight,” but she didn’t. Alternatively, they could have amended the the agenda–come to think of it, they probably should have amended the agenda because this was an item in its own right. They were perhaps out of order. Can’t wait to see the meeting minutes.
Speaking of meeting minutes, school board member Fred Davis, who was given credit in the letter as one of the five who voted against a high school core for 3000, is listed in the 7/22 minutes thusly:
Fred Davis No (Clarification needed)
which make the minutes definitely out of order. Mr. Davis voted without reservation last month. The “clarification” last night was his backtracking along the lines of, “I didn’t mean it, guys.”
But I digress.
So anyway there I was, the nondescript woman in the corner who didn’t intend to expend energy on anything except to ask for a clarification about whether the school district actually paid money for the Cortland elementary site (they didn’t) when suddenly I hear Ms. Gorla saying something like, “…she says in paragraph 5 that…” and I’m like, “Holy cow, is she talking about my letter?” and I look around to see everyone’s eyes riveted on Ms. Gorla except for one of the architects, who is actually sneering at me.
At first I wasn’t really inclined to respond, because my basic gripe with FPC is its inability to adapt to changing economic circumstances for the sake of little guys like me, which they will never understand in a million years. That’s why I wrote a letter to the editor instead of addressing FPC. Why waste my breath? But I did end up feeling compelled to touch on their out-of-touchness and my feeling of being under-represented as a taxpayer; and I also stated categorically that I stand by every word in the letter.
There is something disorienting about suddenly finding oneself swimming in a sea of hostility so I’m sure I didn’t deliver my remarks with the usual flair. But I think I did OK under the circumstances, and next time I’ll do better, being nothing if not adaptable.
Next month FPC will discuss Phase II.
39 comments
Comment by Mac McIntyre on August 21, 2008 at 10:57 am
Thanks for this report, yinn. I attended the police meeting and am working on a report for that.
I hope that Dr. Briscoe rises to the occasion.
“Don’t let the architects build your school,” said Briscoe, during his interview and shortly after he was hired.
I hope the school board rejects the FPC recommendation and downsizes the high school.
Comment by Paul Greenlee on August 21, 2008 at 11:02 am
I have no faith in the decisions of anyone connected with any governing body in the City of DeKalb. I hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it. I lobbied hard for Dr. Briscoe but expect my heart to be broken just like it was by my prom date. Or was it my Homecoming date? My date for Terminator 2? Thank goodness for my wife.
Comment by yinn on August 21, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Dr. Briscoe was not in attendance last night. I wonder if/how it would have been different if he had been.
Comment by yinn on August 21, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Does it go without saying or not? Just in case: Paul, you always make me laugh out loud.
Comment by Anonymous on August 21, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I will not be voting to retain any school board members in April.
I hope some new people run.
Comment by Paul Greenlee on August 21, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Let me share with you another District 428 experience. Our daughter is a student at Tyler Elementary and our son will enter kindergarten next week. They did some remodeling of the school to try to accommodate two kindergarten classes so they could initiate full time kindergarten. (My own opinion is that full day kindergarten is subsidized day care). The board rejected this in June, indicating the remodeling was insufficient. My wife met with the principal last week to go over some items and he said nothing.
At Monday’s board meeting, lost in the celebration of the teacher’s contract (has anybody actually seen it yet), the board approved full time kindergarten at Tyler. They decided to combine two sections of fourth grade into one of 27 kids. The tenured fourth grade teacher decided to teach one of the two sections of fifth grade. The newly hired fifth grade teacher allegedly found out last week she won’t be teaching fifth grade, but kindergarten and has a week to prepare her plans and her room.
I can’t believe a change like this was approved. First, no parent was involved in this and no notice was given it would be on the agenda. Second, as involved parents, the principal who knows our concerns, owed us at least a heads up. Third, you have or should have one riled up teacher who is now displaced and cannot be happy about such a change and the lack of time to prepare for it.
Dr. Briscoe and I exchanged voice mails on this and his reasoning was he heard that a lot of parents wanted this. Whether or not they did is immaterial. Since when did the district make decisions based on public opinion?
I am sure Dr. Briscoe is putting in long days, but I cannot believe he is not part of this process regarding the schools and at these meetings. I think somebody should meet with him and discuss the shameful behavior of his administrators at these meetings. I’d like to know if he is going to be a “Rio Bravo” sheriff or a “Blazing Saddles” sherriff.
Comment by Ed Pevonka on August 21, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Who wants to run.. The teachers now have a new 5 year contract. The only thing the new board will be doing is find a way to pay for the prior boards negotiations. If you want to do something about local funding required to meet the teachers pay and benefits you will have to wait another 5 years to run.
A real travesty that one board can dictate to the next how they must operate. This board effectively set the budget the next board must deal with for the next 5 years.
Pevo
Comment by yinn on August 21, 2008 at 3:13 pm
There is no doubt in my mind that all-day kindergarten is a form of subsidized daycare, which I actually don’t mind since there are families who desperately need it. BUT we should be honest about what it is AND the whole of the school should not be sacrificing so much for the few. They should wait if they do not yet have adequate space. Another case is Lincoln Elementary, an Academic Excellence School in no small part due to its excellent library, but I don’t think they have abandoned the idea of shedding 3,000+ books to fit that library into the tiny music room for the causes of all-day kindergarten and “early intervention”–and no doubt a few more bucks from the state.
Meanwhile, another concerned parent has offered me a timeline on the continuing saga of the Huntley Middle School Orchestra (emboldening is mine):
Oops, I forgot to ask who Tom Cappaert is.
Comment by Paul Greenlee on August 21, 2008 at 3:31 pm
I just got off the phone with our principal. Apparently Becky McCabe, asst. supt. for curriculum, looked at the enrollment numbers that were down in three different schools (Tyler, Lincoln and one other) and saw the opportunity to implement full day kindergarten and this was placed on the board agenda on Monday. Apparently sacrificing fourth graders so a bunch of five year olds could get jerked around to satisfy the whim of an administrator is the price they are willing to pay. And wait a minute, I thought our numbers were growing, not shrinking.
Isn’t Principal Scott one of the people who was heckling Mac at the last FPC meeting?
Comment by Robin Baker on August 21, 2008 at 4:00 pm
To answer your question, Tom Cappaert is one of the Huntley Middle School parents. He happens to be the principal cellist of the Kishwaukee Symphony Orchestra and teaches orchestra in Aurora. The Chronicle recently did a feature:
http://dekalb-chronicle.com/articles/2008/04/12/features/faith/faith01.txt
Comment by Ginger on August 21, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Like Tyler, enrollment was apparently down at Lincoln. At the last minute, two half-day kindergarten classes were combined to make one full-day class in the current kindergarten room. Their library is safe for now.
Comment by Herb Rubin on August 21, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Last school board election all candidates ran unopposed.
Herb
Comment by Kay Shelton on August 21, 2008 at 5:02 pm
*IF* education is done right with the little kids, it can be very beneficial. The little ones can learn very well, the younger, the better. I met a Head Start teacher and some K-12 teachers at a gathering of educators at Representative Bill Foster’s office in Batavia last week at his invitation. If done right, Head Start can help the really little ones, too and many programs include getting the kids some decent breakfast.
I would say that all-day kindergarten, done right, does not have to be day care. If done right, it can jump-start the little kids toward learning. I would be totally in favor of getting more education for the little kids, as long as it is done right. Kids can learn to read at very early ages. If all day kindergarten helps get that done, that would be fine with me. It should not be play time all day.
I am not going to say anything without knowing the background of the fifth grade teacher now kindergarten teacher. But, the preparation time necessary to switch from one grade to another is mind-numbing and no one needs a degree in education to figure that one out. Best of luck to that teacher because that would be a time nightmare.
Comment by Ivan Krpan on August 21, 2008 at 5:45 pm
My last 3 children have done the all day kindergarten and I feel that they were a lot more ready for 1st grade than those children who only went a half day.
My problem is with preschool provided for by the taxpayer. 2 out of my five did an abbreviated preschool (private) and it did help them ready for kindergarten. I think it really depends on the child. I do believe the longer a child can stay home is actually better for that child but you have to have a full time parent at home. It is unfortunate that many mothers do not have the opportunity to stay at home with their children today.
I do feel that the preschool class in the public schools is more like a baby sitting service for many single mothers but it also has to be looked at like this. If this kid is left somewhere with someone who is not responsible and just not take the time to nurture that child what will that child end up costing society in the long run? The times we live in today are not those blessed years we were fortunate to grow up in.
I just hope that the teacher now teaching Paul’s kindergarten child loves little children because it takes a special person to teach this age group. This to me would be the question that I have concerning the grade level move for this instructor. This happened to a teacher for one of my children and to this day she is still teaching kindergarten, she feels blessed. I hope your son has this type of an experience Paul.
Comment by Ginger on August 21, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I don’t think the issue is whether all-day kindergarten is inherently good or bad … just the way the district goes about it: eleventh-hour changes without parent input.
Comment by Kay Shelton on August 21, 2008 at 7:05 pm
“# Ginger Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I don’t think the issue is whether all-day kindergarten is inherently good or bad … just the way the district goes about it: eleventh-hour changes without parent input.”
Yes, I plead the 5th on going off on a tangent. ;-)
Here is another tangent: :-)
The $1 trillion-dollar question is related to what Ivan hinted at and that is how to get parents involved with helping their children outside school. Schools cannot do everything for the parents yet we live in a free society where we cannot make parents do much of anything. The world is becoming more complex and more competitive than ever.
Comment by Monty Python on August 21, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Why are they building a stadium at the high school, let alone talking about lights for it? That should be one of the questions. Between construction costs, finance charges, and then annual operating expenses, it would much less costly to continue to rent Huskie Stadium 4 or 5 nights a year.
Comment by mark charvat on August 22, 2008 at 5:31 am
I personally would like to see all the school board members who force fed us (voted for) this bloated referendum exit! That would be “ALL” of the board (except for one) for those keeping score at home. The Few board members that I spoke with prior to the referendum stated to me that they didn’t care what I thought about the high cost the taxpayers in this community would have to endure if the referendum passed. One board member actually had the audacity to say my opinion didn’t matter, because HE ran unopposed in the last school board election. WE NEED A NEW SCHOOL BOARD!
Comment by Ivan Krpan on August 22, 2008 at 7:22 am
It is probably a good idea that there is a constant turnover in government boards and councils. It is unfortunate that any elected official would have the round spheres to make a comment like was made to Mark. I also would like to say though that many of us voted for this referendum and not just for one reason. Each who voted yes had a different reason to why they thought a new school is needed. No matter what was said the current school is full and beyond.
What people are complaining about is size estimates and how monies are being spent. DeKalb currently has a football field and track, not used as much as would like seen but nevertheless, it is there. Tax payer dollars are not being used or suggested to be used for the stadium. No dollars are being used from the referendum dollars for this. It is a private group along with boosters and several donors making large contributions for this. There is nothing wrong with private dollars funding this. As for any infrastructure such as sewer, water, electric and storm drainage, this should be done and set for any future use just as good planning especially at this stage. How can you have 30 plus acres with no underground infrastructure to hook to. Just not good planning for the future. Remember, it was poor planning that resulted in not being able to do anything practical at the current school. We can’t allow this to happen again.
I said it once and I’ll say it again. I am sorry that I didn’t get involved with the FPC pre referendum. We can all sit here and complain but there is too many wheels in motion due to how the referendum was presented and how people voted on. I am glad at the opportunity to come in after the referendum and get things to slow down a little bit so we can ask questions and make sure that mistakes are not being made that will cost again later. We are winning some areas, compromising in some and not changing others.
Mark, I like the energy you have in trying to help keep taxes down and help in trying to make government efficient. I understand yours and many others inability to get involved on councils and boards due to job restrictions but I have also concluded that the most effective way to create a change is to be involved where it is happening. Blogs and letters to editor is fine to a point, picketing can help but hands on is the best way to do it.
There are many seats throughout the city, county, school board and park board coming up in the spring. We need to have people running in these spots. That’s how we create a change.
I’m trying my best with the FPC and school referendum and will continue until I feel that there is nothing else experience and question can do any longer. I hope it helps a little.
Comment by yinn on August 22, 2008 at 9:25 am
Ivan, it helps a lot. You always say what needs to be said, but hasn’t been. That’s an important step in making things turn out right.
One more comment on all-day kindergarten: I see the potential educational value of this and of preschool programs, and educators understandably support it, but most of the parents I’ve met who are lobbying hard for all-day kindergarten in the public schools are doing so because it saves some of the hassles and expense of day care and because, equally understandably, school is a SAFE environment. Peace of mind comes first, then enrichment.
Comment by Mac McIntyre on August 22, 2008 at 10:05 am
Another day older, another day wiser and I think I see some of that Sweet Dreams secret recipe cake icing on Mr. Krpan’s face.
I certainly appreciate your effort, Ivan.
And I note Herb’s comment re: Unopposed school board. It’s kind of explained by Pevo’s comment about decisions being made that bind the hands and minds of those who would consider a seat. For the next five years the only tool for reducing or at least maintaining
Comment by Mac McIntyre on August 22, 2008 at 10:07 am
(freezing) operational costs is increasing the student-teacher ratio.
Well, I suppose we could reduce administrative costs…
Comment by yinn on August 22, 2008 at 10:20 am
Um, Mac, so you are starting the weekend early and hanging out here and at the sidewalk sales and such, and how long ’til we see that report on the police station funding? Hmmm?
Comment by Mac McIntyre on August 22, 2008 at 2:15 pm
ummm, yin, yours is my favorite cheat sheet site
Comment by Ginger on August 22, 2008 at 11:20 pm
One more comment re full-day kindergarten: whatever academic gains are made relative to half-day usually disappear by the end of first grade, so for all intents and purposes, it is subsidized child-care.
Comment by Kay Shelton on August 23, 2008 at 8:08 am
Hi Ginger, yes, that goes back to the $1 trillion dollar question–how to get parents to understand they need to get involved with helping their kids learn and then figuring out how to get them to do it. The 40-hour work week no longer exists so many parents will not have the time, even if they wanted to help their kids. No matter what, kids should not watch TV and play video games all summer and forget what they learned. Teachers cannot do everything and they are not around during the summer. The other possibility is to switch the school year around to break up the long three-month summer hiatus (when kids forget a few things) yet make sure teachers get enough preparation time and to pay for A/C in all schools.
My views are coming from two factors: My mother was a school teacher so I know I had an advantage and I wish all kids could have that kind of a chance and secondly, I travel to educational conferences all over the world and I have some idea what other countries are doing. Unless something changes, I am afraid that we will wake up some day and wonder why the United States is so far behind in education. Our kids should be prepared to compete on a global scale. In the fields of medicine, engineering, computer science, accounting, business, and other sciences (generally high-paying jobs), our young people already have to compete for jobs with people from other countries. We also need more technical and vocational training at younger ages, too. Car repair is a lot more complicated today. We will always need people who have those skills and knowledge about plumbing, HVAC, electrical, welding, construction, etc. Since I went to school, high schools cut way back on vocational training. There is a lot of attention spent on what kids need to know to score well on math and English tests but other subjects fall aside. I find it appalling that government and civics classes are not required anymore. We could end up with too many people who are clueless about how the government works and when that happens, the politicians have a greater opportunity to run amok. When there is less education in consumer economics/home economics, the door is open for credit card companies and banks to get greedy and take advantage of consumers.
OK, I will step off the soap box and get some breakfast. :-)
Comment by Kay Shelton on August 23, 2008 at 9:58 am
http://www.daily-chronicle.com/articles/2008/08/23/news/local/doc48afadddc102b739840286.txt
Since when is what employees pay for health insurance part of confidential medical information? No, what medical condition an employee has is confidential according to HIPAA, not the health insurance plan, not the health insurance company, not what everyone pays. What a bunch of baloney.
Continued . . .
Comment by Kay Shelton on August 23, 2008 at 10:05 am
Continued . . . Want to know what state employees pay for health insurance? Here you go:
http://www.state.il.us/cms/3_servicese_ben_choice/choice_ratefy08.htm
That even lists the health insurance companies and following the links around that (for people with too much time on their hands) will yield a lot of information on what is covered and how much they pay. I do want to add that the site is for FY 2008, which ended on July 1.
Why is there this continued veil of secrecy in the city? Just *what* are they hiding?
By the way, people in Ward 2 really need to speak up now about what they want in the next alderman.
Comment by yinn on August 23, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Mac, since you put it that way…carry on.
Comment by Steve Berg on August 23, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Perhaps if taxes were not so ridiculously high, parents could spend more time with their kids. After what I went through in the collective schools, I would never put someone I loved through the same experiences.
Comment by Ginger on August 23, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Yes, it’s a vicious cycle because of the way education is funded. Property taxes go up, which burdens families, and then more children require additional services, which costs more money.
Comment by Steve Berg on August 23, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Ginger it does not matter how the schools are funded. One way or another it comes out of our pockets. If you ask a school administrator how much it would cost to properly educate our young folks, they will never give you a dollar figure, it is always just more than what we spend now. Charles Fierz had an excellent letter to the editor of the Chronicle a few weeks ago accurately describing the foolish actions of our local governments. People want monuments to themselves, and they want them paid for by the taxpayers. And, as he pointed out, when we build the new schools and the new police station, it is very unlikely that the quality of instruction will correspondingly improve and the crime rate is probably not going to drop. So, why are we spending the money? Monuments.
Comment by Kay Shelton on August 23, 2008 at 11:39 pm
The current police station is inadequate in size. Here is my personal story why:
Without going into too many details, I spent two hours at the police station with a victim of domestic violence months ago. I convinced her to go with me in person, because that way I knew there would be a report. I knew the whole story but in the cramped little space which had people (and their dogs out for a walk) coming and going and telecommunicators on the phones, she was reluctant to tell the officer everything. I coaxed more information out of her because I knew more.
If the physical space is too small for a victim to feel comfortable enough to make a report with the details, then it is too small. I do not know how we got from the $10 million dollar figure tossed about a while back to the now $17 million dollar figure, but something has to change. The physical space was inadequate, did not serve the needs of one victim (and possibly others), and something has to change.
Comment by Ginger on August 24, 2008 at 11:12 am
Steve, I thought I was cynical! Kay’s point is well-taken, but I can’t speak to the police station. Ultimately, it comes down to the quality of personnel. In the schools, bad teachers are bad teachers no matter where they are. Likewise, stellar teachers produce results regardless of the setting. However, improving learning environments can make it easier for teachers to teach and children to learn, thus improving the overall quality of education, IMO. The conundrum is how do we do that without taxing everyone to death?
Comment by Steve Berg on August 24, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Ginger, I am not cynical. I am realistic based on many years of careful observation. Many years ago I was the news director of a college radio station. I realized that I had a lot to learn about news, so I read everything I could find about newscasting. One book I read was a good analysis of propaganda and slanting. I have not been the same since. Now, I am very sensitive to being manipulated, and can generally fend it off rather well. In addition to the time I spent as a student, I worked for quite a while as a substitute teacher, and ran many in-school suspensions. I have also been a community college, and a university level instructor. A very good friend of mine was the head of buildings and grounds for a number of well respected high schools, so I was privvy to their workings, and spent a fair amount of time in them after hours. My friends and relatives have been on school boards in a number of places, and I have had extensive conversations with them. No, I am not cynical, but I believe that there are some real cynics running many of our public educational institutions, and who have no problem with putting their own views and selfish motives into place to the detriment of the education of their charges and the well being of the taxpaying public.
Comment by Mac McIntyre on August 26, 2008 at 10:36 pm
“The conundrum is how do we do that without taxing everyone to death?”
Fiscal responsibility. Don’t get led into a project budget by an entity that is paid proportionate to the total costs. If you do then expect staff to be handed wish lists with items such as “Personality” and “Bilingual Walls.” Count on them being taken on personal tours of example schools that would require maximum budget.
Accountability. Don’t practice financial maneuvers such as “capitalized interest” (borrowing money up front to pay interest), using earned interest from depositing borrowed money for operational and/or non-project-related expenses, instead of using it to reduce taxpayer debt burden. Don’t use a professional demographer’s study before the referendum to sell it and then ignore that same demographer’s requested follow-up study just because it does not support projected class and core capacities.
Fiduciary Responsibility. Don’t forget, if you are a school board member, that you were elected to protect the taxpayers.
Comment by yinn on August 27, 2008 at 2:53 am
Are fiduciary duties well defined in the case of the school board or is this a more general issue of public trust?
Comment by Ivan Krpan on September 7, 2008 at 2:52 pm
FPC meets Tuesday September 9th.
Building design and materials is meeting at 3:30 pm. This group primarily consists of Ron Beldon, Mac McIntyre, Oscar Hansen, Dr. James Briscoe and the architectual firm.
We are now going over the design and the materials to be used in the new high school.
FPC General meeting:
Starts at 6:30 pm and will be showing a fly around of the new high school and grounds. The final design is not too far from this point. Discussions on the bids for the Cortland grade school may be discussed.
The committee will also talk about future school district plans to repair or add on to other schools not part of the first referendum. Consolidation of several schools, namely the Malta schools along with Tyler into Lincoln has been discussed to date. Visits to some of these schools could conclude the meeting.
Comment by Ginger on September 8, 2008 at 11:42 am
What is this consolidation of schools? Is the intent to make fewer large schools? I have never heard anything about that being part of the second referendum. Thanks.
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